What is the Tulip Mania and Why People Compare Bitcoin ...

The Bitcoin bubble is like tulip mania, therefore tulip mania was a good thing

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"It's not fair to say bitcoin is priced like tulip mania. For one, bitcoin is not nearly as highly priced, given that it can be bought in infinitesimal amounts. Second, it basically functions how it is designed and is actually being used for what is is designed to be used for, unlike a tulip"

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“The bitcoin is a mania like tulip bulbs in the 1600s and Beanie Babies in the 1990s.” - Wall Street Journal

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The Mandela Effect (Part 4 – The Rationalist Cult Member)

This is a continuation of the Mandela Effect story. For the introduction, click here.
How did you first become aware of the Incident?
Do you believe in coincidences?
Um, what?
There’s a system called Bayesian statistics. It’s a mathematical procedure that applies probabilities to statistical problems. This allows people to update their beliefs in the evidence of new data. For example, if somebody beats the stock market once, we might say they got lucky or it was a fluke occurrence. If somebody beats the stock market five times in a row, we would say that they have got some advantage or technique that works better than everybody else, because the chance of beating the stock market five times in a row by pure chance is pretty slim.
I’m not sure how this relates to the Incident.
That’s because you’re not thinking in terms of Bayesian probabilities. The Incident plays havoc with probability. Things that we might consider the unlikeliest of scenarios – like Trump winning – suddenly start happening all the time. Suddenly the weirdest and most outlandishly random things become normal day-to-day occurrences. Like the number 21, or the colors.
Wait, I sound crazy, don’t I? (Laughs) Sorry, I’ve been told that’s a by-product of spending too much time around the Incident. I’m not crazy, I assure you. It’s just that when you see this kind of… reality distortion, for lack of a better word, it’s a little unsettling. Let me start from the beginning.
We found the subject online, as you undoubtedly heard from (the Silicon Valley Mogul). We listed his predictions out. Understand that at this point, we simply thought he was a newly discovered super forecaster. The purpose of listing his predictions was to quantify accuracy. One of these predictions involved Bitcoin. His prediction was that in approximately five years, Bitcoin would collapse. That sounded strange to me, so I crunched the numbers to see what might possibly happen in five years. It turns out that five years from his predicted date is when the last Bitcoin was expected to be mined. You see, Bitcoin was designed to have a finite limit, with each bitcoin being harder to mine than the Bitcoin before it. This limit was intended to artificially inflate the currency, giving a “first mover” advantage to the people who bought into Bitcoin first. In investment terms, the incentives of Bitcoin seem designed to trigger an early adopter gold rush. So apparently our anonymous super forecaster figures that once the last bitcoin is mined, nobody outside of the bitcoin owners will have any incentive to accept the currency, and the speculative bubble will pop, similar to the Dutch tulip mania of 1637. That didn’t strike me as particularly unusual, until we found out about the subject’s odd preference for the number 21 – their calling card, if you will. Do you know what the maximum number of bitcoins is? 21 million. It led me to wonder if perhaps the subject had some involvement in the creation of bitcoin, since he majored in computer science in college and had some background as a former programmer. Could he have indirectly influenced the creator of Bitcoin? It turns out that there’s no way to be sure, since the creator of Bitcoin is completely anonymous and untraceable.
Once I noticed that, other coincidences started to pop up, all involving the number 21 in some way. For example, the subject had predicted early in the Democratic primaries - in his usual shifty unprovable way involving typing and deletion - that Biden would be President Trump’s most dangerous foe. Subsequent to this prediction, Trump made the historic phone call to the Ukraine that led to his impeachment. You know that the first day of Trump’s impeachment trial was January 21st – isn’t that an interesting coincidence? And wasn’t Trump’s first phone call to the Ukraine also on the 21st? These coincidences started to add up in eerily improbable ways, and I found myself a bit reminded of the story of Macbeth.
There’s more. Supposedly, the subject spent a lot of time on a Reddit forum known as dramawhich was also started on the 21st. I started to wonder if the subject had not just predicted these events, but was also somehow causing them. If so, it would have taken unparalleled planning ability to be able to coordinate these events so far ahead of time.
Then the color thing happened, and my whole perspective changed. One singer seemed to be trying particularly hard to get the attention of the subject by creating music videos with the colors that he had specified. The subject said “Why try so hard to signal to me in the present? Just look into your past, and you’ll already see your own future staring right back out at you.” I looked at her music videos, and I realized that a lot of the previous music videos she had made already used the colors that the subject referenced, even though they were dated from before the subject had ever mentioned the colors. It was as if on some subconscious level, this singer had known about the colors retroactively. Once I realized this, I started to examine the subject’s behavior more closely, looking at past events as well as the future. He liked to visit a nearby cemetary a lot, and while there, our cameras caught him reciting a “spell” in front of a tombstone made of rose quartz. It turns out that there were a lot of those rose quartz tombstones in that cemetary – a suspiciously high amount. Upon further research, it turns out that the reason for these rose quartz graves was because of a hurricane that had ripped through New England in 1938 – on September 21st. That was when my worst suspicions were confirmed. Somehow, the incident was affecting time. Had the gravestones always been rose quartz? Or did the spell make the hurricane happen 80 years ago, and so our memories were changed to fit with the new timeline? Ask yourself this – if somebody sent a single photon back in time and created a butterfly effect that altered history, how would you know?
But surely if time was being altered, somebody would have noticed it, right? Well, it turns out that there’s actually quite a lot of people who say that they’ve noticed alterations to the timeline – it’s just that the rest of us don’t believe them. We laugh at them and call them crazy. Hell, a few years I was one of the people laughing at people like that. Well, who’s laughing now? (Laughs hysterically)
What is your interpretation of the Incident?
At one point, the subject seemed frustrated by our attention. “This has all happened before, and you idiots react exactly the same way each time,” he said. What if that’s accurate? History contains countless stories of witches and wizards. Today we laugh at our ancestors for believing in silly stories about magic and faeries, but rationalists and Silicon Valley executives talk quite seriously about the possibility that we are living in a simulation, and that one might be able to partially hack the “user permissions” of reality itself. What if it’s the same thing?
Imagine that you’re some sort of extradimensional being with the ability to hack this “reality matrix” in a few unique ways. According to the subtext of the Spellbook – which we have been studying very carefully - these things don’t have bodies: instead, they manifest their consciousness to a limited extent in gifted people’s psyches. That sounds a lot like reincarnation to me. How long could such a creature live? Maybe a short time. Maybe forever. We know these things like to keep a low profile, but they aren’t perfect at it. We discovered this one by accident, and in response, it rapidly created a religious cult to defend itself and started distorting reality to advance its goals. Surely this could have happened before. Why are we so certain that this is a new phenomenon? Maybe a lot of the other “secret societies” and “magical orders” that existed throughout history started in exactly the same way. Somebody noticed one of these creatures doing something inexplicable, they reacted to defend themselves, and next thing you know we have a secret cult of influential people all learning magic from their new extradimensional mentor. In other words, exactly like what is starting to happen now. It’s like this thing didn’t even bother to change its MO. (Laughs wildly.) And hey, why would it? Some things are so well optimized that they hardly ever need to change. They go through existence unchanged by evolution because they are already perfectly evolved.
What part of the Incident would you categorize as paranormal or outside the bounds of understanding?
Haven’t you been listening? Pretty much everything about the incident defies explanation. We have prophecies coming true, clairvoyance, strange psychic dreams, vast conspiracies, strange transhuman cults, and fringe science. I know what you’re thinking: I was in this from the start, so supposedly I was one of the people most heavily impacted by the mental effect of the Incident. But the truth is that the only thing I was impacted by is the understanding that our entire understanding of reality is a lie. Who wouldn’t be impacted by that?
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How to trade Bitcoin Future

How to trade Bitcoin Future


Bitcoin is troublesome to use.
But bitcoin’s isue may build it additional valuable.
So, what’ reality regarding bitcoin’s future?
Bitcoin mining may be a senseless waste of energy.
As bitcoin hits mainstream media, the subject of bitcoin mining
bubble regarding to pop.For ten years, the media has enjoyed painting bitcoin as a bubble concerning to pop. They’ve gleefully pronounced the bubble popped and bitcoin dead … over 350 times. However the reality regarding bitcoin is that it keeps coming back back. Why?

Charlie Munger called bitcoin “worthless artificial gold.” Others in the media have likened bitcoin to a bubble, a “tulip mania,” and different strong statements
Each time bitcoin improves itself (like with Segwit
Segregated Witnesses. A protocol implemented by Bitcoin to extend transaction speed. SegWit allows a lot of transactions to be written into a single block on a blockchain.

or the Lightning Network), or will increase in value, the media is keen and ready to jump on it, decrying and denouncing it.
Therefore what’s the reality behind bitcoin’s price -- is it extremely a bubble?
The reality regarding bitcoin is straightforward; it's experiencing the same rise and fall cycles as each new technology and asset catego
The web also experienced a bubble. Shares of dotcom firms rose by a thousandpercent on a daily basis. Then it all tumbled down. However we have a tendency to’re still using the web, aren’t we have a tendency to? More than ever, in fact.

Stocks conjointly experienced big boom and bust cycles, especially in their early days.

We might feel like stocks have been around forever -- and to us they need. However stocks conjointly had a starting, and a rough one too. Once upon a time in 1531, when the first stocks were invented, they saw extraordinary volatility, scams, and no regulation. In fact, before stock exchanges, they were sold at occasional shops -- just like cryptocurrencies were sold on la peer to peer

marketplace, before exchanges came online.
Even property, viewed by the majority as “the safest investment” experienced a dramatic cycle. Business Insider reported that “Between 2006 and 2014, nearly ten million homeowners in America saw the foreclosure sale of their own homes.” And tens of thousands became homeless as a result of of it. Nevertheless --- we have a tendency to’re still living in homes, aren’t we?

The future of bitcoin would possibly be the identical as that of stocks, bonds, assets, and the web. It rises and falls like all the others, and it is currently terribly volatile -- but that’s as a result of it’s young.

Stocks have been around for 400 years. Dotcom corporations for forty years. Bitcoin is solely 10 years previous -- and cryptocurrencies, normally, are even younger. But slowly, they will become a part of our daily lives.

Rich investors are manipulating costs!
Look at this headline from the Independent: “Bitcoin price Crash: 'Manipulative Whales

A very wealthy individual capable of creating massive trades.
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' cause Cryptocurrency Market Meltdown!”
It’s sensationalism, pure and straightforward. The article goes on to rant against these therefore-known as “whales” -- individuals who own voluminous dollars of BTC -- as evil-doers who’s solely thought is profit.

This type of sensationalism is meant to harm Bitcoin’s future; to scare people faraway from doing research and thinking for themselves.

Nonetheless, this statement is somewhat true. Up to eighty five% of Bitcoin’s supply is solely owned by onepercent of wallet addresses.

But there’s an important point to be made about these numbers. Most of the prime percentage of wallets is not owned by whales -- but by exchanges

On-line platforms on which people can buy and sell cryptocurrencies.
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However their result is getting smaller and smaller.
A company referred to as Chainalysis -- that makes a speciality of analyzing the Bitcoin blockchain

-- found that “the actual threat that all whales pose to the cryptocurrency economy is relatively low. If they sold off their entire holdings, it'd be effectively a $3.9 billion sale at current costs. That’s not even tenpercent of this total market capitalization of Bitcoin.”
This is as a result of, as I hinted above, several of those wallets holding such vast sums are the ‘cold wallets

’ (wallets held offline) belonging to major exchanges like Coinbase, Kraken, Binance, and more. These wallets cannot be used to manipulate the price, diminishing the potential impact of enormous ‘whales’ selling their positions.
Bitcoin is simply too slow for use as a currency.
The reality regarding Bitcoin is that yes, it's slower than VISA, Mastercard, and alternative centralized electronic payment systems.

Paying together with your credit cards takes seconds and the network can handle payments around the globe twenty fouseven. But, though Bitcoin can additionally be used around the world, confirmation

of payment takes an average of 10 minutes; during the bitcoin craze recently 2017, confirmation times might take hours.
Moreover, VISA on average processes around 2,00zero transactions per second (tps). This means the amount of payments individuals make per second on the network. VISA includes a maximum of twenty four,00zero TPS. Bitcoin, by distinction, has a maximum of ten TPS. This argument has been place forward by several critics over the years and picked up by the media as the doom of bitcoin’s future.

However Bitcoin could be a technology that evolves.
Now let’s assume regarding Bitcoin’s past for a moment. The coin and its underlying technology -- the blockchain -- are only ten years previous. When the web was ten years old -- the year was 1989. Do you keep in mind the net in 1989? I sure do.

payments in exchange for not revealing sensitive info. So, in bound ways that, BTC and cryptocurrencies offer hackers a lot of options.
However money continues to be king for every criminality.
Though it’s true that hackers and phishers do typically ask for payment in BTC

There’s an aphorism: “money talks.” It means that that if you would like to get something done -- the best argument you can build is to place down a stack of money. When Bitcoin rose to fame, the primary headlines focused around Bitcoin being the prime choice for criminality.

But Lilita Infante, Special Agent for the DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration) has some contradictory info regarding this. She was one among a ten-person Cyber Investigative Task Force team whose primary aim was the dark web and crypto-related investigations. This cluster is no little force. They collaborate with the Department of Justice, FBI, and also the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. And she went on the record to talk regarding what share of bitcoin transactions are literally being employed for illegal things; she said that “illegal activity has shrunk to about 10 p.c.”

Only tenp.c of all the transactions on the Bitcoin network could be used for illegal things. Which number is falling.

The fall in Bitcoin’s use among criminals is due to several factors. The most prominent factor is that Bitcoin is no longer anonymous. Sciencemag wrote a full report on how governments are developing and using techniques to explore the Bitcoin blockchain and notice criminals by tracing their bitcoin payments.

Paying with bitcoin isn’t simple.
I’ve heard this argument flow into widely throughout the years. I still hear it from my grandpa each vacation dinner. He didn’t see a Bitcoin checkout option at the grocery when he bought the turkey -- therefore it’ll never be used.

Perhaps Bitcoin is on its means to being such a store of worth. For 10 years now bitcoin has been ready to be saved and retrieved and exchanged -- and it’s worth has only gone up (bumpy but up).

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Bitcoin is difficult to use.
Bitcoin, like all new technologies, isn't the most user-friendly.

You would like to line up a wallet, bear in mind a seed phrase, and several additional steps. Sending and receiving BTC

payments additionally involves steps of copy/pasting long strings of random letters and numbers. It’s powerful, I hear ya.

I additionally keep in mind all the steps I needed to require to send emails back when those were new. Insert a CD from AOL into my computer. Install AOL. Unplug my phone line. Plug in my Modem. Wait for it to make all those noises and finally connect. Then set up my AOL email and password. It was quite the method.

My grandfather never thought emails would come out and even my mother said folks would perpetually like handwriting letters (and using a physical dictionary for spell check!) and sending through the post.

Think about it the approach we tend to assume about gold. Not everyone has gold. It’s also a bit difficult to own.

If you wish to own gold for its ‘store of price’ properties, you wish to seek out a specialized look to buy investment gold. You need to store it somewhere, sort of a personal safe or a bank vault, and bear in mind the password. This is somewhat troublesome.

Perhaps Bitcoin’s problem will facilitate it retain its value, just like gold
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Some very important points that most people do not understand about Bitcoin

Point 1)
Most people do not understand that you can't send money over internet, but only information. Bitcoin is the first digital settlement layer.
When I send a picture to someone on Facebook messenger, I don't actually send a picture. I send information about the pictures structure, and the picture gets restructured on the client side (the cellphone) of the user I send it to. Copy of the information is being sent, not the picture itself. So you can't send money over internet, it is not possible, only information.
If I have a bank account at some bank, and I send $50 dollars to another person in the same bank by using the banks website, then a transaction happens between two people within the same infrastructure, which is the banks back-end system and database. So the banks system just subtracts $50 dollars from one person and adds $50 dollars to another person. But no money has moved, only information has been edited. But if I send money to someone that uses another Bank, then this bank has its own infrastructure which is independent of the first. So Bank1 tells Bank2 that they have a user that wants to send money to a user of the other bank. So Bank1 subtracts $50 from User1, and Bank2 adds $50 to User2, but now Bank1 owes Bank2 $50, why? Because you can't send money over internet. So they have to settle the difference between them with some kind of a settlement system, (cash, gold or a third party like a central bank). This difference can be the result of many transactions between many users and can be millions of dollars of worth, the settlement can be done periodically for example every 6 months.
With Bitcoin, because of how the system works, it is almost as if you can send value over internet for the first time, even though you don't really send value, you still send information, but since the infrastructure is global, it is like the first example, it is as if the world has (one large bank infrastructure), that is fully automated and which no one controls.
This alone makes Bitcoin extremely valuable, because it is a trust less digital settlement layer which is extremely secure and not dependent on one particular nation or organisation.
Point 2)
There can never be more than 21 million Bitcoin. This is very hard for people to grasp. Because what do you mean there can never be more than 21 million bitcoin? It sounds like a game, such a scam... People do not understand that Bitcoin is not normal software. In normal software the developers can change the code as they want and publish the code when they want. They do not understand that Bitcoin is a software that is not like a normal software. You can't actually change the number even if the number is programmed in. Which of-course most people will deny, because it makes no sense for most people. They do not understand that even though it is theoretically possible to change it, it is practically almost impossible. It is theoretically possible for me to convince half of Sweden to burn half of their money, but practically impossible. Just because something is theoretically possible, doesn't mean that it will happen within a time frame, or even in your lifetime. In order for the 21 million supply to change, most people in the Bitcoin community needs to agree on it, which is practically impossible. Miners have to change to the new protocol and so on. Not going to happen.
When gold treasures were lost in the past, someone else could find them. Gold practically never completely disappears, it is a chemical element. With Bitcoin, once it is lost it is practically lost forever (put aside quantum computing for now and other theoretical unforeseeable events). 21 million is only the upper theoretical limit. Bitcoin will be more and more scarce as time goes by. Gold is not like this. Gold has an inflation rate of 1,5% every year. The reason it is constant is because even if the stock gets bigger, the flow into the stock also gets bigger because of better mining capabilities, so you can look at it as constant inflation of 1.5% every year. With Bitcoin, not only do the stock to flow ratio go up every halvening, and the flow into bitcoin not only decreases with time, but almost goes into negative because of lost coins every year. This is completely insane and people do not understand this. If you combine this almost deflationary nature of Bitcoin with extreme bullish market sentiment then you will realize that no one knows what is going to happen in the future because wrapping your head around all this and to come to a conclusion about the Bitcoin price will make you sound absolutely delusional to most people.
Point 3)
People think that $100,000 bitcoin is wishful thinking and that there is not enough money in the world for Bitcoin to be worth millions of dollars. Which I can assure you is false. Bitcoin can even be worth $50 million dollars per coin, which would make 2 satoshi 1 dollar. Even if one Bitcoin transaction would cost 10 000 Satoshi. You might say, that's not possible, whats the point if one transaction is so expensive. Again, you don't need to actually do a transfer of money, as in the first example of point 1, virtual transactions on bank level can happen, or on Coinbase. You can send 100 satoshi to someone and pay 1 satoshi in fee "on the bank level", not on chain, banks or exchanges then will settle the difference as they want. At least with Bitcoin you have the option to be you own bank, even if that will cost you more, you still have the option. This is already happening in front of your eyes. Banks like Dutch ING, Deutsche bank, are already working on custody services for cryptocurrencies. And even exchanges want to operate as banks and exchanges like Coinbase are working to get license for this. This is already happening and it is the correct move forwards, a mix between the legacy banking system and cryptocurrencies. You can already spend your Bitcoin with Coinbase Visa Card or similar services. Most people are too lazy and stupid to operate like us with their own wallets, it is a fact well known.
In terms of the price, money inflow is not the same as market cap. Take for instance the following simple scenario. I own 100% of the shares of my own company and I decide to sell 10% of the company for 1 million USD, which will value my whole company at 10 million USD, so 1 million flow into my company leads to 10x market cap of 10 million USD. For Bitcoin to have 21 trillion market cap, Bitcoin does not need 21 trillion of money inflow. Bitcoin price is dependent on market sentiment, if the market sentiment is such that very few people want to sell their coins because the price keeps going up then you might have 100x market cap of the money inflow. So 1 billion USD in money inflow translates to 100 billion USD in market cap. The multiplier can be 10x, 2x or 50x, all depends on market sentiment and time period. So an inflow of 10 trillion USD in 10 years might lead to 100 trillion USD market cap of BTC and 5 million USD per Bitcoin.
Bitcoin value have no roof, the price might actually just keep going up and up and up and up and up. We have never had something that is absolutely scarce, and global, and seen as an alternative form of money, when the rest of the world keeps bubbling up. There is no limit on the BTC price because the whole world works with a bubbly system, and the way Bitcoin is price discovered, is a guaranteed insane BTC price in the future. Even $100 million USD per Bitcoin in 50 years before I am dead is possible.
Point 4)
Fiat does not need to die, and Bitcoin does not need to take over in order for Bitcoin to have "ridiculous price". No financial crisis is needed. Actually what you want is things to just continue as they have done in the last 10 years. No too extreme events. Just "small events" here and there. You can't change human nature, it is inevitable. Bitcoin is so ingrained into our world that there is no way back. There will be people with whole Bitcoin, and people without. Just like people with gold and stock investments and real estate, and people without those things. No insane events, this is all normal.
Point 5)
Bitcoin has won as the financial cryptocurrency. No flippening will happen. The only flippening will be with gold and fiat currencies. If I wanted to, I could have developed a system like PayPal in 1 month time, and it would be able to do 5000 transactions per second because I would use MySQL and SSD, but no one would use my service because they would not trust me because they have no idea who I am and what my service is, and there is no one to send money too, so the network is not there. Bitcoin has won because security and network effect is way more important than transactions per second. Transactions per second will be dealt with on bank level, exchange level, or layer 2 solutions. This is already clear to me. Bitcoin has won.
Point 6)
In order to understand Bitcoin and what will happen in the future, you have to be able to see things that are not in front of you. You can't compare Bitcoin to Tulip mania, or even Gold. Because something like Bitcoin has never existed before and you have to think about it's properties and try to understand it with human nature and with how the world works and how everything keeps increasing, and Bitcoin is the thing that does not increase in supply. You will eventually accept the unnatural thought of Bitcoin never stopping going up in value, which is something that is hard to come to terms with, because it feels unnatural, "and it could not possibly be so".
Point 7)
The Gini coefficient of Bitcoin is not a big deal. I used to think that it was unfair that some people had 1,000 BTC, 10,000 BTC, or even 50,000 BTC. And I was afraid that they might dump their coins into the market and crash it. I have now realised that these people are smart people and they think like me, and they won't just dump their whole BTC holding on the market as that might be a very bad move for them. It is like when a majority holder of a company, like Jeff Bezos and Amazon, understands that he can't sell all of his shares in one go as that would effect Amazon stock value too much and would not be smart. It is best to sell when the price goes up, but then when they sell the BTC will just be eaten up by other people, and they will be at a loss in the longer term. And the other thing is that perhaps there is no other smart place to put that fiat money, Bitcoin might just be the best place to keep those amounts of money. Someone with a very large holding has two options. He can either sell his BTC, in which case the price would go down but the Bitcoin would be spread out between potentially thousands of new users, or he might decide to never sell. If he decides to never sell, it is as if those Bitcoins are lost forever and that is good for the Bitcoin price and Bitcoin in general. If he decides to sell then Bitcoin will be divided more equally among many users which is also a good thing for Bitcoin because that increases the network effect, and after he sells he no longer has the power to drive the price down, but now he sits on a very large fiat holding, he might even buy back at a higher price and drive the price higher. I know that if I had 10,000 BTC, I would sell 1,000 BTC and buy a house and a car and whatever I wanted, and sell another 1,000 BTC to diversify into some other assets. And keep 8,000 BTC because I don't know of anywhere else to put that kind of money into good work. I believe in Bitcoin so as an investor it makes sense to keep it here. I probably would never sell because I would never need anything else after the initial 1,000 BTC sell.
Bitcoin is like a black hole that sucks in the Earths monetary resources over time. Most people that bought really early and were smart enough to hold all the way to these prices will only sell what they need to sell and keep the rest in BTC. Some of them might want to speculate and try to time the ATH, only to buy back in with most of the fiat they sold. Which means that even if money goes out of the market, it only goes out of the market temporarily, only to get back in at hopefully lower prices. And so the market grows, and grows and grows over time.
Point 8)
Bitcoin has intrinsic value. When people like Peter Schiff say that gold has intrinsic value because gold can be used in electronics and aviation and therefore gold has value but Bitcoin has no value because it has no intrinsic value, you have to take a pause and do some critical thinking. Can you imagine 16th century pirates looking to find a gold treasure worth an insane amount because they knew gold had value because of electronics and aviation? This is clearly absurd. Gold has been used as money for thousands of years and electronics and aviation was not even a thing 150 years ago. Gold has value because it is globally scarce. Bitcoin is absolutely verifiable scarce. Bitcoin has intrinsic value because of it's monetary policy and because you can carry millions of dollars of value by remembering only 24 words in your head, and carry that value wherever you want and no one can stop you, that is intrinsic value.
People had a hard time understanding that a website like Facebook could be worth billions of dollars, because it was not physical, it was "just a website". Even a website like Google search is not physical and still it has immense value. It is valuable information and it provides a good service, and that has value, it does not have to be physical and tangible.
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But as a reminder, here are some thoughts I would like to remind people that are in this game together with us.
*1. Do not listen to anyone. Always be skeptical of opinions, no matter how credible or famous the person or organization making the claim.
Some of us want to take the easy way by finding someone hyping a coin on the internet. If you are trying to find the next big coin, and are basing your investment based on other people's opinions; you will likely not succeed. You have to go out and seek your own investments based on your own research. If you go on youtube, and seek some dude hyping some coin and invest with no facts in your arsenal, you will likely fail. If you invest in a coin because it is popular at the moment, and jump on the hype wagon you will fail. Hyped coins are already likely at a top. It will correct itself, and you may panic sell. Recently, I bought Omise Go at 2$. When I bought Omise Go at 2$, there were no Youtube videos of big crypto youtubers hyping the coin (yes I looked). Now we know how that worked out, and everyone is making videos and hype about Omise Go. I made nice profit from this investment from my own research..
If you sell because of negative speculation, you may likely fail. The only thing you should believe are facts. If China, or another country actually bans bitcoin, that is a fact. If Wallstreet Journal, Glodman Sachs, or Charlie Lee posts an opinion that bitcoin to fiat exchanges will be banned with no proof, that is an opinion. (Claiming to have some super secret source saying XXXX is not proof). If warren buffet or the CEO of Goldman Sachs says bitcoin is a tulip mania and will be worth nothing, that is still an opinion of some old guy that likely does not even have a clue of what smart contracts are. These kinds of claims have been made by famous figures throughout the past, and have so far only been proven wrong.
*2. Your portfolio value will crash (eventually), but that is okay. When times are good, everyone feels like they are a genius. If your coin tripled in a month, you may feel like you are a genius. But do not forget the fact that what comes up must go down. What goes down, has great potential to eventually come back much stronger. This does not go for all investments, only the ones that have real value. If your investment sucks, then it will only go down.
*3. (This part is my opinion, take this with a grain of salt. See line 1): Believe it or not, blockchain technology is now a practical and very useful technology at its current state than it ever was in the history of blockchain. Smart contract applications have opened a whole new world of innovation and practicality to our space. These are very exciting times, and many believe our total marketcap is severely undervalued.
*4. It is possible that regulation will screw cryptocurrencies forever. Just because cryptocurrencies are decentralized, does not mean countries cannot ban it. If countries do ban it, cryptocurrencies will obviously become much more useless. What are most owners of bitcoin to do with illegal bitcoin? If central banks do not like blockchain, they certainly have the power to do severe harm. They do have the power to influence elections, businesses, entire markets, or even buy up our entire marketcap if they so desire. It is scary for us to think about in terms of the harm governments and central banks can pose to our very precious crypto.
*5. Do not forget the fact that you are playing a game of high risk, high reward. Cryptocurrencies in its current form are VERY volatile. Do not expect to win forever, or lose forever. Some days you will cry, others you will hysterically laugh at your success, dance around your room, or even drive lambos. However, just because your dad or friend claims crypto currencies are too unstable, a Joke or whatever; do not trust their word. You likely have much more knowledge about crypto than them, or even the CEO of Goldman Sachs or whatever. (I may be wrong but that is my opinion).
Lastly, have fun. I love cryptocurrencies, I am hooked. I am having so much fun trading, hodling, speculating, and engaging with this community.
Thank you to everyone involved, and bringing me this excitement to engage in this wild game.
If you have any thoughts or opinions, please do share (even if you did not like this post).
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Tulip Bubble or Dot-Com Bubble?

I'm sure you already know my sentiments, but let me take a moment and lay out the reasons why.
The Dutch Tulip Bubble (or "Tulip Mania") was a period during the Golden Age when the price of Tulip bulbs skyrocketed in a speculative bubble that burst, in February of 1637. Bidders had run the price of certain tulips (arguably the most gorgeous and lovely ones) to price heights that made no sense.
Speculators were mortgaging houses to buy tulips, and some of the most expensive ones could cost the value of a real house. The Dutch economy was booming, and the citizenry enjoyed the highest financial statndard of living in the world at the time. Significant amounts of discretionary income, coupled with a devaluing of the Dutch Kronur (less and less precious metals had been used for the minting of the Kronur over the previous decades) led to the very real popular concept that the price could only go up.
Of course, after European markets started trading tulip bulbs and the excitement grew to a manic phase, the bottom fell out, and people realized that there is no comparison between the value of a flower and real assets, like houses, horses, food, etc., and the market imploded.
The Dot-Com bubble of the late 1990's was similar to Tulip Mania in some ways (bubbles always are) but significantly different in ways we need to acknowledge and examine.
Speculation is always at the core of any bubble, and Tulip Mania, the Dot Com Bubble and the Crypto Run-Up of 2017 and subsequent collapse in 2018 are no exception. As greed and excitement kick in and override the Human Brain's ability to discern smart from not, the human's tendency to stampede--in either direction, up or down--is significantly increased as the amount of money involved increases.
Capitalist hegemony has imprinted directly on our hippocampuses the concept that the goal is to die wealthy; to die poor is anathema in all segments of human society. "He who dies with the most toys wins!" is a common exclamation.
So when opportunity presents itself, Humans tend to try to take advantage of it, even when the opportunity makes no sense. The Dot Com bubble was one where big industrial financing actually created the monster by throwing huge sums of money at pretty much any idea and team that had an interesting, internet based theme.
eToys.com, Baby.com, et. al., were simply brick and mortar ideas repackaged for the internet--and mostly repackaged to sell the investment. The only difference was the ".com" on the end, and to the investment community, that was more than enough to open the money spigots.
The main difference between the Tulip Mania bubble and the Dot Com bubble is the actual technology. The Dot Com bubble was a ton of fluff, surrounding a strong core of real innovation and futuretech. The Tulip Mania bubble was, for lack of a better term, simply flowers.
So applying these historical times with today's Crypto run-up and implosion, there are obvious and undeniable similarities. The run up in Crypto has made many people instantly and effortlessly wealthy, indeed, some of them are celebrities now, simply because they threw a small amount of money at a project at the right moment and spun the wheel.
And we hear from some of these guys every day. The smaller "players" (I call them 'posers') who made some money by pure luck and now fashion themselves to be experts ("Listen to me! I made money last year and I have a youtube channel!") are all expounding on the virtues of this coin and the shitcoin propensity of that project. In most cases, they were lucky, once. Beware their advice.
The Crypto bubble and collapse is much more parallel to the Dot Com bubble and collapse because at the core of both situations lies a transformative technology and a handful of good projects/companies that emerge at the end of the chaos with strong product and ideas that the public will need, will buy and which will survive. These projects are typically underhyped, undervalued, and are considered "sleepers" at some point in the bubble. This is because instead of chasing financing or chasing popular opinion, they are quietly and methodically perfecting their technologies, their products and their consumer experiences.
These projects are few and far between, interspecked within the flotsam and jetsam of multitudes of "debris projects" that will not survive.
Who remembers MySpace? Who remembers AOL? Who remembers dialup and the AOL "coaster CD?" Who remembers Netscape, AltaVista and Webcrawler?
Amazon, Netflix, eBay, Google, Facebook and a few others were also generated in this timeframe.
Tulip Mania had no survivors, as there was no innovation involved. Simple greed, and when the music stopped, most people were on the wrong side of the chairs.
After the Dot Com bubble burst, however, was a period of quiet, thoughtful and valuable growth. Those who survived the carnage continued on to be come the current Captains of Internet Industry, and have made those who found them, researched them, and invested in them fantastically, famously wealthy.
I believe we are at the point where the bubble has burst, and the dust is settling, in the Crypto bubble. The real and innovative projects have continued their work and are busily planning for the next phase. I strongly believe the Kin Foundation is one of those, and I've invested because of the research I've done.
I've asked some here if they could go back and invest in Apple at the early stages, would they? And the varying and interesting answers I've gotten have ranged from "I'd have better things to do than invest in Apple" to "if Apple were $1 again, there'd be something wrong." Truly chuckle worthy, but telling.
Not everyone will see the opportunity for what it is. Not everyone will take advantage. Weak hands will sell, and weak minds will bash. Only the people who invest with their heads, not just their hearts will make the right moves.
For me, Kin is the Amazon of the Dot Com Bubble. It's where I put my emphasis, my research, my effort and my thoughts. I have invested in many companies and cryptos along the way... I missed out on the Bitcoin rise, but I made money in the Dot Com bubble. I've ridden tech stocks via options for years, and the intrinsically unstable nature of those investments have made the risk of this one much less worrisome.
So the point is this: when the naysayers croak at you, don't worry about it. History is behind us, and if you've done the research I have, you know that Kin is a strong contender to come out strong and vibrant and profitable on the other side.
It's why I'm here, and it's why we're all here. Cheers.
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Why Bitcoin is NOT a scam / lottery / bubble / Tulip mania / whatever

So, another thread has hit /all and brought another influx of people new to Bitcoin. I usually don't pay much attention to all negative comments, but since I have some extra time today and nothing better to do... I wanted to address the main thing that often pops up in these threads. Namely: is Bitcoin a scam?
First of all, if you asked me this question in few years back (2015 when price crashed back to $200)... I would've said: maybe. At that point jury was still out - I often like to quote Satoshi's genius observation:

In twenty years, Bitcoin will either be worth quite a lot or nothing

With marketcap below $4B Bitcoin was still an easy target. We all remember MtGox scandal, government dumping Bitcoin seized from Silk Road for $48m (boy... did they dropped the ball with that one ;), discussions in Senate etc. etc. Meaning - at that point - it was still possible for rogue actor to pump and dump and break the whole system beyond repair.
But, it is end of 2017 now... and Bitcoin is worth over $7000 (boy, will it be fun when it's over 9000 ;). All this results in Bitcoin ecosystem being way more powerful now than few years back. Not only there is daily trading volume of over $3 BILLION going through Bitcoin... There are now Bitcoin companies that are worth over $1B. Hell, there are people who are Bitcoin billionaires. Which brings us to the main point:

Bitcoin is genuine technological revolution, accompanied by tangible merits. In a nutshell, Bitcoin is a scam in 2010s as much as Internet was a scam in 1990s.

1 Bitcoin is valuable because you can do "technologically new" things with it. Never before in the history of humanity we had TRULY DECENTRALIZED "asset" that had properties traditionally associated with currencies (previously always backed by someone / government) or commodities (like gold).
I hope this overview gave you good insight into why it's pretty much impossible for Bitcoin to be scam at this point. Like, I understand that recent HUGE price jump can influence people to see Bitcoin as Tulip mania. But Tulip mania was a scam because nothing substantial changed with tulips over night. People just started paying more and more for them. Plus, you could always produce more Tulips.
With Bitcoin you have genuine technological revolution behind. If you own Bitcoin you can do stuff you never could do before in various parts of the world. It's like banking infrastructure on steroids really. Plus, unlike Tulips, Bitcoin supply is limited. Hell, even gold - you can always mine more of it. Bitcoin is fixed at 21 million, for all eternity.
Any question - fell free to hit me up. Always glad to help newcomers to Bitcoin!
EDIT: One of the responses says - OK, we can agree Bitcoin is obviously not a scam. But, is it a bubble? Consider that Bitcoin has been a bubble for last 8 years. It was bubble when it was $2. It was bubble when it was $30. I thought it was bubble when it broke $2000. Hell, to me stock market is in the bubble. I like to compare Bitcoin to Internet... lots of people thought "Internet is a bubble"... yet 20 years later, here it is... completely changing humanity. In that sense I think Internet is best comparison to Bitcoin... time will tell whether or not Bitcoin is right now in the bubble... but I strongly believe that in 20 years Bitcoin will be above today's levels.
Now, if you share my long term prospects - then "Bitcoin bubble" will never be too much of an issue for you. Like - I don't buy in batches... I dollar cost average my BTC investment (you can look through my history for more info). See also Max_Thunder nice observation of using Bitcoin as vehicle for protection against inflation...
EDIT: I've incorrectly presented amount of money pumped into Bitcoin... read this for explanation.
EDIT: I also want to emphasize one thing:

DO NOT go ALL IN hoping that Bitcoin will hit whatever mark. Especially DO NOT BORROW MONEY and GO ALL IN unless you are ready to forget about whatever money you've invested for next 20 years.

95% of people I know that have been trading Bitcoin have LOST most of their money. I know bunch of people who bought at $20 and then sold at $2. Then there is a group that bought at $800 and sold at $200. There are also those on other side of equation... there was short worth tens of millions of $$$ earlier this year when BTC was breaking $1100. Crazy thing - Bitcoin price did drop few days later... but that was AFTER short was wiped out and whoever did it lost TENS OF MILLIONS of $$$.
Profiting is not only about being right about eventual price... it's also about knowing when it'll happen.
Final EDIT: Blow away by all the feedback. That's why I like to post here - I get interact with people and in the process learn something new. I'll be monitoring my Inbox so if you have more questions just drop them here. And if you like my writing, visit my motivational / various blog that I update occasionally.
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Is BTC living up to the hype?

Had you invested $27 on Bitcoin when it was produced by Satoshi Nakamoto in 2009 your financial investment would now deserve over $37,000,000.
Commonly considered as the best financial investment automobile of perpetuity, Bitcoin has actually seen a meteoric increase throughout 2017 going from $777 all the method to $17,000.
Producing millionaires out of opportunistic financiers and leaving banks open-mouthed, Bitcoin has actually addressed its critics at every turning point this year and some think this is simply the start.
The launch of Bitcoin futures on December 10th, which for the very first time will permit financiers to go into the Bitcoin market through a significant regulated United States exchange, suggests that we are simply beginning.
What makes Bitcoin so important is that there is a limited quantity out there. There will just ever be an optimum of 21 million Bitcoins and unlike typical fiat currencies you can't simply print more of them whenever you seem like. This is since Bitcoin operates on an evidence of work procedure: in order to develop it, you need to mine it utilizing computer system processing power to resolve intricate algorithms on the Bitcoin blockchain. When this is accomplished, you are rewarded with Bitcoin as payment for the "work" you have actually done. Sadly the benefit you get for mining has actually reduced dramatically practically every year considering that Bitcoin's beginning, which indicates that for many people the only feasible method to get Bitcoin is purchasing it on an exchange. At the present rate levels is that a danger worth taking?
Lots of think Bitcoin is merely a bubble. I talked to cryptocurrency professional and long term financier Duke Randal who believes the possession is miscalculated, "I would compare this to numerous supply and need bubbles over history such as Dutch Tulip Mania and the dot com bubble of the late 90s. Costs are simply speculation based, and when you take a look at Bitcoin's performance as a real currency it is practically awkward." For those who do not understand, the dot com bubble was a duration in between 1997-2001 where lots of web business were established and offered insanely positive assessments based simply on speculation that later plunged 80-90% as the bubble started to collapse in the early 2000s. Some business such as eBay and Amazon, recuperated and now sit far above those evaluations however for others it was completion of the line.
Bitcoin was initially produced in order to take power far from our monetary systems and put individuals in control of their own cash, eliminating the middle guy and allowing peer to peer deals. Nevertheless, it is now among the slowest cryptocurrencies on the marketplace, its deal speed is 4 times slower than the 5th most significant cryptocurrency and its closest rival for payment options Litecoin. Untraceable personal privacy coin Monero makes deals even quicker, boasting a typical block time of simply 2 minutes, a fifth of the time Bitcoin can do it in, which lacks privacy. The world's 2nd most significant cryptocurrency, Ethereum, currently has a greater deal volume than Bitcoin in spite of being valued at just $676 dollars per Ether compared to Bitcoin's $16,726 per Bitcoin.
So why is Bitcoin's worth so high? I asked John McAfee the exact same concern. "Everything returns to the very same supply and need economics, fairly there is not quite Bitcoin offered and its current rise in cost has actually drawn in a great deal of limelights, this integrated with the launch of Bitcoin futures which numerous view as the very first indication Bitcoin is being accepted by the mass market, has actually led to a great deal of individuals following suit for monetary gain. Like any possession, when there is a greater need to purchase than to offer, the cost increases. This is bad since these brand-new financiers are getting in the marketplace without comprehending blockchain and the underlying concepts of these currencies indicating they are most likely to get charred".
Another factor is that Bitcoin is incredibly unstable, it has actually been understood to swing up or down countless dollars in less than a minute which if you are not utilized to nor anticipating it, triggers less knowledgeable financiers to worry sell, leading to a loss. This is yet another factor Bitcoin will have a hard time to be embraced as a kind of payment. The Bitcoin rate can move significantly in between the time suppliers accept Bitcoin from clients and offer it on to exchanges for their regional currency. This unpredictable motion can erase their whole success. Will this instability disappear whenever quickly? Not most likely: Bitcoin is a fairly brand-new property class and although awareness is increasing, just a really little portion of the world's population hold Bitcoin. Till it ends up being more extensively dispersed and its liquidity enhances substantially, the volatility will continue.
So if Bitcoin is quite ineffective as a real currency, what are its applications? Numerous think Bitcoin has actually carried on from being a feasible type of payment to ending up being a shop of worth. Bitcoin resembles "digital gold" and will merely be utilized as a standard for other cryptocurrencies and blockchain tasks to be determined versus and traded for. Just recently there have actually been stories of individuals in high inflation nations such as Zimbabwe purchasing Bitcoin in order to hang on to what wealth they have instead of see its worth decrease under the recklessness of its main banking system.
Is it far too late to get associated with Bitcoin? If you think in what these cryptocurrencies will provide for the world then it is never ever far too late to get included, however we recommend you look into crypto market scanners as they will provide you the best insight.. You may be much better off taking a look at Litecoin, up 6706% for the year or Ethereum which is up an amazing 7421% for the year. These more recent, quicker currencies wish to accomplish what Bitcoin initially set out to do back in its creation in 2009 and change federal government run fiat currencies.
Who understands what the rate of these currencies will be 10, fifteen or perhaps twenty years from now? Something is specific though, we much better strap ourselves in as it is going to be a wild flight.
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Investor takes out $127,000 loan to buy cryptocurrency, loses 85 per cent

Investor takes out $127,000 loan to buy cryptocurrency, loses 85 per cent
A 32-YEAR-OLD has revealed his eye-watering $3000-a-month “lesson” after making a seriously poor financial decision.
AN UNFORTUNATE investor who took out a six-figure loan to purchase cryptocurrencies that have since lost 85 per cent of their value says he hopes his story can be a “lesson” to others.
Reddit user Cryptohomie, who identified himself as a 32-year-old living in Abu Dhabi, posted a photo of his brutal repayment schedule to the Cryptocurrency subreddit on Monday.
The document from Emirates Islamic Bank shows monthly repayments of 8194 dirham ($3067) until December 14, 2021. The original loan is listed as 338,000 dirham ($126,500) with a total outstanding amount of 393,296.80 dirham ($147,200) including interest.
“Here is my bank instalment related to the loan I took to invest in crypto,” the user wrote. “Still three-and-a-half years to go until I’m freed. Until then, I’m working for nothing and I’m at 85 per cent loss. I hope it gives you a lesson.”
He said he bought Neo, Stellar, Litecoin, Ethereum “and some shitcoins that lost 95 per cent of their value already”.
For context, Neo has lost about 90 per cent of its value since peaking in January, Stellar is down about 75 per cent, Litecoin is down about 85 per cent and Ethereum is down about 80 per cent.
The price of bitcoin has fallen by around 70 per cent since topping $US20,000 late last year to around $US6000 at the time of writing.
In the same period, the total market capitalisation of more than 1800 cryptocurrencies tracked by Coinmarketcap has fallen from $US800 billion to under $US200 billion.
The Reddit user said he was “now mostly into” Neo, Ontology, Elastos, Stellar and HPB. The user explained that it was a “simple loan” banks give “almost instantly in UAE”. “You can get $100,000 within few days on your account without much verification,” he said.
“I’m 32 and it was my first speculative investment. I think it’s an age where we’re still unconscious and take lot of risk if we don’t have big responsibilities like a kid or bills to pay.”
Just in case, he added that “if there is any ridiculously rich Emirati who doesn’t know what to do with his money, feel free to contact me”.
“Miracles happen sometimes!”
Reddit users were part amused and part sympathetic. “I don’t think there’s anything we can say that you don’t go to sleep thinking about already,” one wrote.
Another said, “So this is why we hit $US20,000.” One noted that “people complained” when the banks stopped allowing crypto purchases on credit cards but it was “because of things like this”.
“Since this last run I’ve wondered how many people did this sort of thing and how much banks have loaned out for crypto,” another said. “I imagine there have and will be quite a bit of credit/loan defaulting.
Last December, at the height of the crypto mania, a US securities regulator warned people were taking out loans to buy digital currencies.
“We’ve seen mortgages being taken out to buy bitcoin,” Joseph Borg from the Alabama Securities Commission told CNBC. “People borrow money. People do credit cards, equity lines.”
Mr Borg said the problem was “innovation and technology always outruns regulation”. “This looks like tulips from Holland back in 1643,” he said.
“That doesn’t mean there’s no real value here, it just means perhaps the value is over-inflated. This is not something a guy who’s making $100,000 a year, who’s got a mortgage and two kids in college ought to be invested in.”
Regulators around the world have repeatedly sounded warnings about investing in so-called initial coin offerings (ICOs), often used by businesses to raise funds.
In February, an analysis of ICOs from 2017 found of 531 out of 902 projects had either failed or “semi-failed” — a rate of 59 per cent. That figure is likely to increase as more ICOs are launched at the same time as retail investors grow more wary.
The vast majority of ICOs typically range from convoluted blockchain solutions in search of a use-case, to outright scams — often both. Worthless digital tokens are derisively referred to as “shitcoins”.
In March, an even more scathing report by Satis Group concluded that a whopping 81 per cent of ICOs were outright frauds, 6 per cent failed, 5 per cent went dead and just 8 per cent made it to trading.
Many of those that do end up listed on an exchange are subject to heavy manipulation.
Due to their thin trading volumes, smaller digital tokens are frequently used in “pump-and-dump” schemes, in which a small group of individuals buy and then artificially boost the price through misleading statements before cashing out.
Many ICOs rely on celebrity endorsements to generate hype. In April, the founders of Centra — an ICO promoted by boxer Floyd Mayweather and music producer DJ Khaled — were charged with fraud by the US Securities and Exchange Commission.
The Australian Securities and Investments Commission has been cracking down on ICOs under delegated power from the consumer watchdog. In May, ASIC said it was “issuing inquiries to ICO issuers and their advisers where we identify conduct or statements that may be misleading or deceptive”.
In at least one case the securities regulator has taken action “to protect investors where we identified fundamental concerns with the structure of an ICO”. “If you are acting with someone else’s money, or selling something to someone, you have obligations,” ASIC Commissioner John Price said.
“Regardless of the structure of the ICO, there is one law that will always apply — you cannot make misleading or deceptive statements about the product. This is going to be a key focus for us as this sector develops.”
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Chinas ICO bans - what befalls the world of cryptocurrencies?

The greatest occasion in the cryptocurrency world just recently was the statement of the Chinese authorities to close down the exchanges on which cryptocurrencies are traded. As an outcome, BTCChina, among the biggest bitcoin exchanges in China, stated that it would be stopping trading activities by the end of September. This news catalysed a sharp sell-off that left bitcoin (and other currencies such as ripple) dropping roughly 30% listed below the record highs that were reached previously this month.
So, the cryptocurrency rollercoaster continues. With bitcoin having boosts that go beyond quadrupled worths from December 2016 to September 2017, some experts anticipate that it can cryptocurrencies can recuperate from the current falls. Josh Mahoney, a market expert at IG remarks that cryptocurrencies' "previous experience informs us that [they] will likely brush these most current obstacles aside".
Nevertheless, these beliefs do not come without opposition. Mr Dimon, CEO of JPMorgan Chase, said that bitcoin "isn't going to work" which it "is a scams ... even worse than tulip bulbs (in recommendation to the Dutch 'tulip mania' of the 17th century, identified as the world's very first speculative bubble)... that will explode". He goes to the degree of stating that he would fire staff members who were silly sufficient to sell bitcoin.
Speculation aside, what is really going on? Given that China's ICO restriction, other world-leading economies are taking a fresh appearance into how the cryptocurrency world need to/ can be controlled in their areas. Instead of prohibiting ICOs, other nations still identify the technological advantages of crypto-technology, and are checking out managing the marketplace without entirely suppressing the development of the currencies. The huge problem for these economies is to determine how to do this, as the alternative nature of the cryptocurrencies do not enable them to be categorized under the policies of conventional financial investment properties.
A few of these nations consist of Japan, Singapore and the United States. These economies look for to develop accounting requirements for cryptocurrencies, generally in order to manage cash laundering and scams, which have actually been rendered more evasive due to the crypto-technology. Yet, the majority of regulators do identify that there appears to be no genuine advantage to entirely prohibiting cryptocurrencies due to the financial circulations that they bring along. Likewise, most likely since it is almost difficult to close down the crypto-world for as long as the web exists. Regulators can just concentrate on locations where they might have the ability to work out some control, which appears to be where cryptocurrencies satisfy fiat currencies (i.e. the cryptocurrency exchanges).
While cryptocurrencies appear to come under more analysis as time advances, such occasions do benefit some nations like Hong Kong. Given That the Chinese ICO restriction, lots of creators of cryptocurrency tasks have actually been driven from the mainland to the city. Aurelian Menant, CEO of Gatecoin, stated that the business got "a high variety of questions from blockchain job creators based in the mainland" which there has actually been an observable rise in the variety of Chinese customers signing up on the platform.
Looking a little even more, business like Nvidia have actually revealed positivity from the occasion. They declare that this ICO restriction will just sustain their GPU sales, as the restriction will likely increase the need for cryptocurrency-related GPUs. With the restriction, the only method to acquire cryptocurrencies mined with GPUs is to mine them with calculating power. As such, people aiming to get cryptocurrencies in China now need to get more computing power, rather than making straight purchases through exchanges. In essence, Nvidia's beliefs is that this isn't a downhill spiral for cryptocurrencies; in truth, other markets will get an increase also.
Due to all the turmoil and dispute surrounding cryptocurrencies, the combination of the innovation into the worldwide economies appear to be materialising quickly. Whether you think in the future of the innovation, or believe that it is a "scams ... that will explode", the cryptocurrency rollercoaster is one worth your attention.
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Dash Competitive Basket Index for Monday, 28 October, 2019. Better. And let's take a step back and look at real world use.

Dash Competitive Basket Index for Monday, 28 October, 2019. Better. And let's take a step back and look at real world use.
Better than yesterday (again), but still nothing to write home about. We’re still in the top 20, so that’s something. Since Thursday, Dash gained 17.9% in dollar value. That certainly helps the buying power of the monthly Treasury. Everybody gained dollar value except the stable coins. All three of the moving average numbers went up again.
But let’s look for just a moment at real world use. Let’s be totally honest here, sooner or later, real world use of the actual crypto products HAS TO MATTER. Otherwise, crypto really is just another tulip mania like Jamie Dimon says it is. Jamie Dimon is wrong. Fundamentally, foundationally, bedrock level wrong. Somebody is going to become wildly successful at offering the unbanked and underbanked access to honest, simple, person to person digital cash. Duh….that’s Dash.
So let’s look at real world use numbers. When Dash got started in early 2014, LiteCoin had 8-10x the number of transactions that Dash had. Ever since then, Dash has been gaining on LiteCoin. Look at the transaction numbers on the chart below. We regularly beat LiteCoin. Why are we not crushing LiteCoin? In terms of features, governance, innovation, community support and number of transactions, we ARE crushing LiteCoin.
For the previous 7 day time frame:
  1. Dash outperformed 7 of the 18 coins ranked above us (39%). The 30 day SMA* is 31.2%.
  2. Dash outperformed 5 of the 10 coins ranked below us (50%). The 30 day SMA* is 33.3%.
  3. In total, Dash outperformed 12 of the top 28 coins (43%). The 30 day SMA* is 32.0%.
  4. Bitcoin dominance dropped 6/10’s after yesterday’s enormous gain. (67.1%).
  5. 5 of the top 28 coins beat Bitcoin (17.9%).
  6. 25 of the top 28 cryptos were in the green (92.6%).
* The 30 day SMA is the Simple Moving Average for the last 30 days. It is represented with the red line.
As always, this is not investment advise. This is presented for entertainment and educational purposes only. Do your own homework. Don’t trust some rando guy on the internet. All crypto is risky. Don’t invest more in crypto than you can afford to lose.
^ Dash vs LiteCoin transactions since forever. Look at the transaction numbers in the upper left hand.

^ I'm not just cherry picking, look at the 90 day chart. We are neck and neck with LiteCoin and routinely surge above them in transactions. We absolutely will surpass LiteCoin.

Dash vs the 18 coins listed above us. Meh, better, but not great. Again I return to today's thesis, the rankings matter because that's what everybody looks at, and it affects our dollar value which affects our treasury. But the whole crypto industry should be looking far more at the use metrics, not the popularity contest on CoinMarketCap and CoinPaprika.

^ Dash vs the 10 coins listed below us. Woo hoo, looks like we finally made a bottom. But again, we should be looking 90% at real world use, and only 10% at market cap rankings.

^ Dash vs the top 28 crypto projects in the world. Back above the MA, and looks like a bottom. And this data should be almost irrelevant compared to real world usage data.
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Everything is going to go full parabolic next year. Trade carefully.

Greetings fellow XMR traders!
2017 has been a mindboggling year for Monero, and all of cryptocurrency in general. I know there are other cryptos that have had far better YTD returns (ETH, DASH, XRP), but it's really hard to ignore the fact that XMR is up over 2600% since the beginning of the year. Not surprisingly, the mainstream media has not ignored these insane gains. Turn on CNBC or Bloomberg and they cannot shut up about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency as a whole. Marketwatch recently made their own crypto-specific category on their own website, and they also list Monero as one of the cryptos to watch for in 2018. Google trends for Bitcoin and cryptocurrency have skyrocketed. You get the idea, cryptocurrency is in the limelight. It wasn't like this a year ago, at least when I first started buying XMR a few months after the AlphaBay pump in 2016.
Recently, the total market cap has exploded in the past month, going well past over half a trillion dollars as of the time of this post. I don't think it's a coincidence that the market cap started going crazy around the time of Thanksgiving. In my anecdotal experience, our Thanksgiving with my familiy was almost entirely dominated by crypto talk (which I'm ok with, there was no talk about politics this year!). My family knows I'm into crypto, and they no longer think I'm the crazy nerdy guy for investing in it. They've watched the news and seen the gains BTC and other alts have had. They're starting to want a piece of that action. After Thanksgiving, one of my family members opened a Coinbase account and bought 1 LTC because, "I like owning whole coins". I'm sure something similar to the aforementioned anecdote occurred around many Thanksgiving dinners. It would also explain why LTC pumped like crazy recently -- there is a real psychological factor to wanting to own a whole piece of something instead of just a fraction of a BTC. A similar thing could happen with XMR if it gets listed on Coinbase (and Ripple too, if the rumors are true). It's starting to become expensive for most folks to buy 1 XMR, but it's still not completely out of reach compared to buying 1 BTC or even 1 ETH.
I expect the same thing to repeat come Christmas. I will be setting up Coinbase accounts and/or wallets for no fewer than half a dozen family members this Christmas. I'm sure there will be many hardware wallets bought as gifts this holiday season. This is no longer a domain that is ruled by technogeeks and anarcho-capitalists. Cryptocurrency is entering the mainstream world, and the recent market cap explosion reflects that.
This is where things start to get really dicey. Those several people I'm going to be setting up Coinbase accounts for? Most of them are not very technologically adept. They only want into cryptocurrency because they see the returns. It's a classic example of FOMO. This is going to accelerate to a fever pitch come 2018. There will be a massive stampeding to the entrance to get into cryptocurrency as individuals and institutions FOMO their way in. If you told me months ago that the total market cap for crypto would be roughly $600 billion by this point, I would have said you were on drugs. But it's a reality though. And this huge growth is going to set the stage for 2018. I fully expect the total market cap to be in the several trillions of dollars by the middle of next year. We will be a part of that explosion of course. I do not think it is out of the question for XMR to be well over $1000 by Q1 2018. I thought $1000 by 2018 was going to be a wash, but given what has happened in the past month, that timetable has sped up considerably. Even multiple thousands of dollars doesn't seem too farfetched. Barring a sudden disastrous event that halts this bull run, we are going to keep climbing and pumping.
The fact that more and more people are sinking their life savings/taking out second mortgages into crypto now really worries me, and this is only going to get worse once things go full parabolic. There are a lot of people out there stuck in misery financially. They are working low paying jobs, barely getting raises, and whatever raises they do get are immediately nullified by expenses continuing to balloon out of control. Saving accounts have been ZIRPed by central banks. The stock market has massively overheated from all of the money printed by central banks, largely benefiting the wealthy. There are more and more economic dead zones that pop up as human capital and wealth continue to concentrate in large metropolitan areas. A lot of people in the West are being permanently left behind, and for them something like Bitcoin is their final chance at getting out of financial hell. These people see crypto as a get-rich-quick scheme, and not for the technology of the blockchain that shapes to change the world. Which to me is sad people see it like this, but again that is how things are going.
For me, I believe that the blockchain is one of the greatest inventions to have come about in the past several hundred years. This article here does a fantastic job of explaining why the blockchain is a gamechanger for civilization. No matter what happens moving forward, the blockchain is here to stay. However, this doesn't change the fact that there is a ton of garbage in the crypto markets that is horrendously overvalued. Some people think of cryptocurrency as the modern day tulip mania, but it's a lot closer to the dot-com bubble. Just like with crypto, it was impossible not to lose money investing in dot-coms. And there was a lot of garbage like Pets.com that was clearly overvalued and went to zero after the bubble burst. The companies that did survive eventually went on to dominate today's society, like Amazon. I do see a bubble exploding soon, but obviously it is impossible to say when. The shitcoins will die out for good, and the coins that are truly legitimate will eventually recover and go on to do great things. Obviously I expect XMR to be one of the survivors.
What we have seen right now is just a taste of what is to come. The crypto markets will soon experience what will be the equivalent of an enormous shot of heroin right into its system. There will be so much money being thrown at crypto looking for the "next Bitcoin". This is where I now talk about exit strategies. As rule #11 says, trading requires selling at some point. I have been seriously contemplating on cashing out a lot of my portfolio some time next year. When exactly that will happen is still up in the air, but if things keep going like I expect it to, it will be in 2018. There are some things that legitimately scare me and can cause an epic crash. It could be an exchange getting hacked. It could be a bad smart contract that causes another DAO disaster (hey, maybe Vitalik will roll that back too just like last time!) Or it could be Tether. If you're not familiar with Tether, take the time to Google and read about it. It's basically tokens created from nothing that have been used to pump the price of BTC on Bitfinex. The possibility of Tethers imploding is very real, and combined with how Bitfinex has severed ties with banks and stopped servicing US customers... it is asking for trouble. I will continue to HODL onto an unknown amount of Monero, but I also want to protect my wealth in the process and as such I will almost certainly be selling an unknown amount of Monero too. If it means I sell too early because I didn't perfectly predict the top, so be it.
Fortunes WILL be made and lost in the next 365 days. Trade very, very carefully.
-- surgingchaos
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FAQ & general /r/AusFinance advice

All of this is general info, not specific financial advice, caveat, caveat, don't sue/ban, etc, etc.
The barefoot Investor is a well regarded, Australian, personal finance book. The sub is largely positive about his advice and step by step approach, though his later steps get a little more ambiguous, especially around home ownership. It goes pretty cheap and can be read in an afternoon - it constitutes a pretty good first investment.
This sub supports maintaining a strong "rainy day fund", which should be able to tide you over for several months, though lengths vary depending on your situation (if you're 19 and can crash on your mum's couch, two months will be okay. If you have three kids and pets, 6 months is better). Calculate how much you spend per month and accumulate the appropriate amount into a high interest savings account. Commonly, the sub recommends against big banks who tend to not be the best value for money. ING, RAMS and UBank have great interest rates. The differences between these are negligible; the main point is to get away from places like the CBA who provide low interest rates and often still charge an account fee.
After you have established a rainy day fund, your options are wider. Follow this flowchart for general advice. Paying down debt is one of your main priorities (disregard HECS, it's not real debt).
Generally /AusFinance recommends that you establish your "rainy day fund" (as above) before you do anything else, so ensure you can take on any emergencies like broken fridges, lost jobs, etc. You don't want to be selling off investments at the first sign of a leaking dishwasher.
/AusFinance likes the stock-market to form the basis for your investment portfolio. Here's some basic guidelines:
Ok, so more detail on investing: most of this sub is broadly against investing large sums into individual companies. Picking successful companies is a full time job, so most people are not equipped to do so. Nearly all experts like Warren Buffett recommend the average investor invests in index funds. It's a fire and forget investment you don't need to think about. And if you've thought about managed funds, consider that they rarely beat index funds because the margins are low and the people who are handling your money need to be paid. Meaning that they might gain good overall returns, but after you factor in their fees, an index fund will have performed better.
The best available in Australia seem to be Vanguard's suite because of its low management fees. Most recommend Vanguard's VDHG, which is an incredibly well diversified index fund. It takes your money and spreads it across multiple markets, sectors, companies, nations, etc. This means that large fluctuations in economies, sectors or nations is evened out over time and your money is diversified, therefore risk averse. Your money will follow global market trends (which are, over time, unambiguously positive). Index funds also nearly always outperform managed funds. Options other than VDHG are a VGS and VAS split. VAS is Australian centric though, so if you're already heavily invested here through super, savings accounts, property, etc, you might want to reduce your overall percentage of VAS. VGS is a global index excluding Australia, which makes it an attractive partner to VAS. Some people do 50/50 if they have no other investments. Others do more of a 60/40 or 70/30 VGS/VAS split if they have a bit more invested domestically. This should start your research along the right track. If you're unsure about some of these concepts, have a look here.
If you're nearing retirement or are very, very risk averse, your investment strategies will deviate from the above. But as a general guideline, the above options are a good way to begin your research.
Yeah, the debate rages. To be logically consistent, this sub is against trying to time the market. The trend for property prices is certainly positive and there's a firm consensus that in the long term, property value will grow. The issue is how long it will take to recover if there is a major loss in value. Some people speculate that there will be a slow decline in value, some say a crash. Both have convincing points. Both say property is overvalued. Others say there will be no decline or crash, which I find less convincing. The risk of buying a house right now is that it rapidly loses value in the next couple of years. Unlike most investments, it losing value may not actually effect you whatsoever - if you're planning on living in it - and if you can afford the required repayments. If your plans are long term, you'll be insulated by the unstoppable march of market forces.
The major consideration is this: are you willing to potentially lose a large portion of your property value and potentially make a loss on it if you sell in the next 1, 5 or 10 years? If you might move to Canberra in a few years for work, the loss in value makes the question of buying trivial: it's risky to buy and less risky to rent. If you're working in your dream company and have kids going through school and have no plan of moving? You can begin to consider it.
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How to get smarter during a raging bull market

I've personally experienced the 1987 stock market crash, the dot-com bubble, the 2008 bear market, and the Mt. Gox rocket up and down in 2013. This makes me too old to be cool. But it also means that I've been around long enough to be puzzled by how markets work and don't (!) work. While ethtrader is a fantastic source of news, the fact of the matter is that news is not the best source of wisdom. Wisdom, unfortunately, requires the hard work of learning and introspection which is really, really hard to accomplish during the adrenaline rush of the bull market in ether that we've been having. So, for those of you who want to broaden your perspective and gain a deeper understanding of the market I'd like to recommend the five books that have best helped me understand trading markets: (1) Devil Take the Hindmost: A History by Edward Chancellor. Why? When bitcoin was new, the bitcoin reddit was flooded with accusations that it was just tulip mania all over again. Yet very few people actually understand what caused the market for tulips to go crazy (like ether) in the Netherlands. What made tulips go to the moon and come crashing back to earth? This along with other manias is covered in this super interesting book. (2) When Genius Failed: The Rise and Fall of Long Term Capital Management by Roger Lowenstein. These guys had multiple Nobel prize winners! They were invincible! Yet they totally crashed and burned? WTF happened? Can it happen again in crypto where there are also lots of amazingly smart people? What are the underlying risks to watch for? (3) Money: The Unauthorized Biography--From Coinage to Cryptocurrencies by Felix Martin. So, we're all talking about getting out of "fiat" money and into "cryptocurrency". What exactly are we getting out of and into? What is money? Honestly, this is one of the most interesting books I've read in the past five years. (4) Common Stocks and Uncommon Profits by Philip A. Fisher. You may think that cryptocurrency is completely new, but even if it is you are trying to do something very old: make money for yourself. How do you know what to buy, when to buy, when to sell, how to judge if you've bought the right thing? This is a small(er) book in the investment field. But it's one of the best if you want to maximize your chances of getting to the point where you need to decide what color Lambo to buy. (5) Berkshire Hathaway Letters to Shareholders by Warren Buffett (paperback version). Sitting at a desk without a computer and just using his brain, Buffett has become the second wealthiest person in the world. Here, Warren drops serious knowledge. I think there's more wisdom and trading smarts to be gleaned here than from a full MBA course. Also, I'd like to invite you to recommend your favorites to me. Although I'm getting the recommendations started, I'm no Warren Buffett or George Soros. I'd like to continue learning and -- just maybe -- get a bit smarter.
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How to steal 54 millions of dollar from the australian government

I have bumped into this reddit post from token_dave that seems the most likely explanation of the behavior of Craig Wright.
TL;DR: Craig Wright is escaping Australian Tax Office which granted him a $54 Million R&D subsidy based on debunked forged documents.
Australian Tax Authority needs to get involved immediately to stop this farcical nonsense ...
I took the time to reformulate it, and point to links adding evidences to the case, so you can see for yourself if it is a conspiracy or the simplest explanation.
Craig Wright is the founder of DeMorgan Ltd. which received 54 millions dollar as R&D subsidy for expenditure on the C01N supercomputer (bought from SGI via a child company of DeMorgan Ltd. named Cloudcroft) and a software called Hotwire bought from another company Craig founded. (please check the interesting conversation between GoTuckYourbelt and bitledger about the nature of the subsidy, with the raw transcript interview of ATO provided by marcus_of_augustus and the explanation of the cash he received and how of nikcub)
  1. SGI publicly denied the transaction, Craig used forged a document to rank 17th in the top500 computer list, and claimed to make experiences about Bitcoin Scalability,
  2. Hotwire is claimed to be paid in Bitcoin, the transaction id was never revealed,
Then the australian police raided his house for tax fraud.
Craig Wright claims his supercomputer Tulip is located in Iceland outside Australian jurisdiction, allegedly for electricity being cheaper.
Craig Wright is now trying to prove to the tax authority that his expenses were done through his holding that inherited satoshi’s bitcoin. As you can read in the document, Craig Wright is authorized to ask for loan backed by satoshi's coins from the holding for developing bitcoin’s value, and he is claiming that this money is what is being used for paying the expenses which would justify his 54 millions subsidy.
Now Craig Wright is using the 54 million of dollars he received to prove he, or his brother, is satoshi instead of just proving ownership of his bitcoin holding which served the fake expenses. He started by making sure some respected authority in the bitcoin industry will vouch for him. Then tried to reach media coverage as proof that he is satoshi.
Craig is currently using his 54 million subsidy to find way to make the tax authority to believe his story. Maybe he already reached his goal, with 54 million dollars, he can easily corrupt the tax officer, the tax officer who can now cover his ass by pointing out that some “bitcoin experts” testified him being satoshi. (plausible deniability)
Until now:
  1. There is no proof of him having a supercomputer, nor having worked for Bitcoin (as his claim of testing 340 GB blocks)
  2. No cryptographic proof that he holds the bitcoin supposedly in the trust,
  3. lots of bitcoin and security experts agree pointed out various proof deceptions about his posts (forbes, economist, inverse, the Guardian)
Craig Wright has currently a wealth of 54 millions and using it to replace cryptographic proof by validation of bitcoin experts.
He tries to replace the proof of owning Bitcoin (which is hard to fake), with a simpler proof of convincing (and paying) a tax officer of being satoshi.
I would now ask to Australian tax authorities to be very careful about officers investigating his case as 54 millions is enough to bribe basically anybody to close their eyes. Especially if recent coverage provide plausible deniability to a corrupted officer.
I would also be highly suspicious about any manipulation on reddit trying to push the doubt over whether is brother is satoshi, which might be part of his plan.
Interview with ATO: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2644013/20140226-Meeting-Minutes-Redacted.txt (courtesy marcus_of_augustus)
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Reminder: Cost Averaging In Makes Volatility Meaningless - It's Not "Buy the Dip", that's for Speculators

So the top post on /btc now is "Buy the Dip" with some sad comments about losing money amid this down market. People let's not forget cryptocurrency is NOT I repeat NOT a stock. It's not meant for speculation.
If you're just here because you have a free Lambo dream I beg of you to leave now, go to the stock market; come back when we've made a bigger dent in the world and you need crypto to buy something you want. Now you're just encouraging a market of wild swings which only day-traders love, while frightening everyone else away. Crypto won't win because it's attractive to day-traders. It also won't win betting on FOMOs treating it like the next Tulip mania. Crypto as a currency will win because it's honest and transparent. The rules can't change from underneath you. If they change at all you'll be very aware and have plenty of time to make adjustments. It won't be a few men in a meeting that suddenly decide to increase the money supply.
When you cost average in you don't make a lot as much but you don't lose a lot either. That's key. Say you have a goal to buy $1,500 of cryptocurrency per year. Instead of trying to be the Wolf of Crypto Street and pick your favorite coin and alts to double/triple your money or whatever just buy a set amount every day. So that would be about $4 per day. There will be up days and down days, but over the entire year volatility wouldn't mean you panic when the market goes down and be pressured to sell. If cryptocurrency goes up overall year after year (we know it should because it can't be arbitrarily printed), then you will ultimately come out UP. Remember Bitcoin was about $1,100 in March 2017. It was $400 in March 2016. So we're almost 7x up from a year ago and 18x up from 2 years ago, amid the sob stories. (I'm using Bitcoin (BTC) because the market follows it for now)
I implore everyone, please, do your buying more in line with this strategy. The more of the market that does the more the volatility will smooth out. Right now it's just a game of who can get lucky, read charts, and/or control their greed/fear emotions in a swinging market of volatility, scaring many away while naysayers correctly say currencies shouldn't be that volatile. The volatility will go down naturally as the entire space gets larger, but we can either stay in choppy waters slowing adoption until we get there or steady the ship much sooner and really win, not with speculation, but by actually competing with fiat.
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Anyone else getting worried? (non price related)

So I have been spending the last few weeks/ 2 months building my understanding around the technology involved in crypto. LTC has always been my favorite because I was able to own a full coin and I think the idea of pairing with bitcoin rather than challenging it is much more sensible.
I am currently fairly close to deciding to go all-in, by which I mean buying a Ledger Nano S and holding all my excess funds in LTC. However I have some growing concerns about the state of crypto which is making me more and more hesitant to get more involved.
There is way too much evidence to suggest that what is going on now is an economic bubble. I have been reading up on the dot-com bubble and I am seeing way too many parallels.
"As a result of the rapidly-increasing usage of the Internet, many investors were eager to invest, at any valuation, in any company that had one of the Internet-related prefixes or a ".com" suffix in its name, leading to a stock market bubble.[5] During the bubble, the valuations of companies in the quaternary sector of the economy increased rapidly.[6] Venture capitalists, eager to profit on this investment demand, moved to raise and invest capital faster and with less caution than usual. A combination of rapidly increasing stock prices, market confidence that the companies would turn future profits, speculation in stocks by individuals, and widely available venture capital created an environment in which many investors were willing to overlook traditional metrics, such as the price–earnings ratio, in favor of basing confidence on technological advancements."
That is from Wikipedia about the dot-com bubble and all I am seeing recently is adverts for new coins / new technologies / btc killers etc. On these subs and other places there are people with no technological backgrounds speculating on valuations quoting nothing more than buzz-words which in reality many of them do not understand. There are way too many alt-coins springing up claiming to do all sorts of things and people are all backing them. The current state of Ethereum worries me massively, I know way to many people speculating on ethereum with absolutely no understanding of smart-contracts.
The stability of the price in this market is suspicious to say the least. Does anyone else feel like there is a huge amount of price manipulation going on? Recent events should definitely be meriting some shifts but there is really nothing happening, past the huge surge which peaked everyone's interest in the coin this year. We have entire weeks where you can watch the price hit a wall and fall by 2-3% over and over, who is causing this and what is to say that we really have any control?
A point my brother brought up recently was that rather than banks controlling things we end up with miners doing it and given how specialized the hardware is becoming it is harder for the average user to get involved. In a distant future with crypto genuinely replacing fiat, what is to stop the people with money simply mass producing hardware and steering change to benefit them? for bitcoin blocks mined by "Other" is already as low as 5%. I understand that we have Coblee to steer things but you better believe that miners wouldn't support their server farms suddenly having more competition purely for fairness. (also yes I know that there are alt-coins which have ways around this)
Many people here also saying that we should be spending litecoin rather than holding, is everyone simply expecting the mentally to suddenly turn on its head to achieve this when 99.9% of people involved in cryptos are here to simply hold and hope for profits? How can you ever actually profit when the mentality will always be "HODL" (I hate that term, this meme needs to die).
This post isnt FUD (another term I absolutely hate), I genuinely am looking for more solid answers to base an educated decision on. Lightning and MAST are all well and good but its all speculation, it will always just be speculation. I dont like gambling when the odds are against me.
Also I would urge anyone who hasnt to learn about the dot-com bubble and tulip-mania, as well as ofc the underlying technology involved in blockchain.
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A talk about Financial Risk and Bubble trend. Hope it is useful to someone. Warning[long read]

Firstly a little background about me
spring 2018 I will be graduating with a bachelor degree in Finance, I have invested in the stock market for 4 years now. My interest, hobby, and education I would fairly say that I know more than the average man on the field of finance.
In 2011 I started mining bitcoins, due to just seeing it on 4Chan I believe? I was young and did not understand a shit about what I was doing. However after mining 2 BTC I just meh...
A couple of years go by the hype comes and hit global news coverage. And we see huge price increases, my first reaction was too much risk for my taste, fair enough.
THEN old friends start messaging me about bitcoin,lightcoin,etherum and what not, Simply because I was the investing geek back in high school. I recommended they should not invest because of the risk associated with it and they could not afford to lose it. Of course I couldn't have been more wrong, but still, some part of me cant grasp the underlying value of bitcoin.
As an investor with a finance background, certain things just screams red flag for me. And just so we all are on the same plan returns works in a fantastic way, higher returns just compensate for the risk, finance 101.
1) I am a member of a certified investor group in some way you could call "experts", they have been trading and investing their whole life. NONE of them have touched cryptocurrency because of the risk and BUBBLE trends we are seeing. that made me a skeptic.
2) Tons of "common" people talk about getting rich, investing in crypto. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH at the same time experts in finance says KEEP THE FUCK AWAY. Example
3) Looking at Reddit/facebook forums makes me just baffled, people, talking about 1MIOTAS going to 1000$ like how in the fucking math. Just some simple here if we where to reach half of the market cap of bitcoin ( that is already crazy high) that is $182 771 118 802 /2 = $ 91,385,559,401 we get: 2,779,530,283 MIOTAS times ish $30 = $83,385908,490 probably $33. I think that proves my point.
4) People that should not invest, are investing.
Further, on let's say some criteria for BUBBLE trends that are based on history
Definition:* An economic bubble or asset bubble (sometimes also referred to as a speculative bubble, a market bubble, a price bubble, a financial bubble, a speculative mania, or a balloon) is trade in an asset at a price or price range that strongly exceeds the asset's intrinsic value.[1][2][3] It could also be described as a situation in which asset prices appear to be based on implausible or inconsistent views about the future.*
5 steps of a bubble (Displacement, Boom, Euphoria, profit, and panic)
Displacement: A displacement occurs when investors get enamored by a new paradigm, such as an innovative new technology or interest rates that are historically low. Check
Boom: Prices rise slowly at first, following a displacement, but then gain momentum as more and more participants enter the market, setting the stage for the boom phase. During this phase, the asset in question attracts widespread media coverage. Fear of missing out on what could be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity spurs more speculation, drawing an increasing number of participants into the fold. Ultra check
Euphoria: During this phase, caution is thrown to the wind, as asset prices skyrocket. The "greater fool" theory plays out everywhere. Valuations reach extreme levels during this phase. Ongoing right now
Profit Taking: By this time, the smart money – heeding the warning signs – is generally selling out positions and taking profits. But estimating the exact time when a bubble is due to collapse can be a difficult exercise and extremely hazardous to one's financial health, because, as John Maynard Keynes put it, "the markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent." Note that it only takes a relatively minor event to prick a bubble, but once it is pricked, the bubble cannot "inflate" again. Yet to start
Panic: In the panic stage, asset prices reverse course and descend as rapidly as they had ascended. Investors and speculators, faced with margin calls and plunging values of their holdings, now want to liquidate them at any price. As supply overwhelms demand, asset prices slide sharply. Yet to start
And there is so much more theory on this field, but my checklist is checked out.
I love everything behind IOTA and the technology, there is a limit to how much I can understand. But I can grasp the major differences between IOTA and bitcoin as such. I am myself invested in IOTA but that's mainly because I believe that I can be wrong, I would say that it is naive to conclude this is a bubble. So I have a put a portion I can afford to lose and that's it, and I am well aware of the risk. But my point here is that so many others are NOT.
Humans learn slow and keep making the same mistakes, few people manage to earn money from crises. As a fun fact, financial crises occur every 8-10 year, our last one would be the financial crisis in 2008. Source
My conclusion from this: DONT PUT YOUR SAVINGS IN CRYPTO if you cant afford to lose it get the hell away. There has been too much crisis based on tulips, real estate, fake companies and the list goes long.
This post was made because I feel there is much hype and not so much reality, people live different lives and struggle more with money than others. So please warn accordingly, don't hype things you don't know jack shit about in reality.
Peace Fellow Iota members, sorry for the long read.
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Bitcoin is a scam

  1. Bitcoin is a scam designed to funnel sanction-and-tariff-free money from unsuspecting Americans (Libertarians and hype bandwagoners) to Russia and China. The foundations of bitcoin are nebulous and a significant portion of bitcoin production, banking and washing is done in China and Eastern Europe.
  2. Bitcoin is Tulip Mania reloaded
  3. The acceptance of Bitcoin by main street will also lead to its eventual collapse. It's no longer primarily bought as a currency to be used for purchases (drugs, pizza, dried berries), but speculatively as an "investment" and increasingly by people who have no clue what it is except that they might make a lucky break like a small minority of early adopters and escape the torturous obligations of their daily lives.
  4. Sell, sell, sell
*posting from cell phone, not sure what's up with formatting
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